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but i didnt knew he was sentient (edited)

Mask alters are a thing that exist as well, so if you want to call him an alter, go for it, and if you'd rather not, I suppose all the more power to you.

2:16 AM

Your labels should, at the end of the day, mainly be for you. Not for anybody else.

i will think about it

what is that guy you are talking about like?

he is...a version of me

2:17 AM

except he uses black clothes

2:17 AM

and has horna

2:18 AM

horns *

doesn’t say much

for some reason

KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧

what is that guy you are talking about like?

he is kinda

what is he like as a person and behaviour

2:18 AM

im not interested in lore you are building around him

if i explain about him i would have to explain why he became this way

2:18 AM

oh

We've got median subsystems in our own system who looked identical to one another, it's fairly common.

im kinda embarassed to tell about how he is (edited)

We've also had experience with kind of a "good cop bad cop" dynamic, where one part is volatile, and the other serves to regulate the former.

basically he is the "evil!!!! " personality stereotype except he isnt evil, just misguided

2:20 AM

but you could say he is scary basically

2:20 AM

and at the beggining we didnt really get along

then do not consider him an alter or a tulpa

2:21 AM

keep plurality away from this and work on this as normally people do

Mhm, It's good that you're recognizing that he's not literally evil, regardless of whatever it is you call him, it's a good first step to establishing cooperation between you.

2:21 AM

keep plurality away from this and work on this as normally people do

@KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ (@KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk) - jump I mean, this is a fairly plural experience, we've experienced it ourselves, involving fusion, and some other brain madness.

2:22 AM

if he's definitely there, then repressing him won't fix the issue that caused him to exist to beginwith.

wait who said anything about repressing?

i thought he was pure evil or smth, then i accepted the guy and i found out he was just trying to call my attention

Having headmates that exist as a form of coping mechanism is primarily about learning to cooperate and reduce the amount of harm you cause one another.

2:23 AM

wait who said anything about repressing?

@KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ (@KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk) - jump When you stated to "keep plurality away from this", I thought you meant "consider yourself and this headmate/alter/etc. one person"

yeah i thought you stopped reading my message on that part

2:24 AM

there were a few more words there

How would one work on something plural normally, if they're supposed to keep plurality away from it?

ok so let me say something first

2:26 AM

if you see sometimes you act in another way Then you see something as a „mask” you put on to cope And then it turns out to be something that is „a different version of you” What do you think was happening? And what using plural vocabulary will cause?

i will explain

2:26 AM

he used to talk to me in my head

2:26 AM

all of a sudden

they described the progress of their symptoms but all you got is that theh are „plural”

i put him dormant

2:27 AM

many times

2:27 AM

it didnt work

2:27 AM

he always comes back for some reason

Whether or not it's plurality doesn't matter, what does is getting to the root of why there is a problem, and solving it, using plural means or not.

and yet you said that it should be solved with plurality

2:28 AM

in my opinion it shouldn’t, even if itms a plural problem (which i doubt)

Since Lumi defines this person as being separate/somewhat-separate, then I used plural terminology in turn. It's also because we have had several similar experiences with our own system, and so can speak from experience.

shinimi what you described is that you sometimes behave and feel in way that you don’t like and the more you dive into plural interpretation of what’s happening the more you disown it and the harder it will be to work on it

2:29 AM

take ownership and responsibility

2:30 AM

stop giving your bad behaviour a name

KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧

they described the progress of their symptoms but all you got is that theh are „plural”

also i will explain something, even before i thought i was plural with my other tulpas, he used to speak to me inside my head and he appeared in my dreams once

2:30 AM

i didnt thought "ok i am plural because of him" and then it turned out a placebo

2:30 AM

even before i thought of myself as a plural

And was he distinctly not controlled by you? Were his thoughts and actions happening independently of your own?

he would speak to me many times

Atlas || M&M

And was he distinctly not controlled by you? Were his thoughts and actions happening independently of your own?

yes to both

2:31 AM

but he feels like he lacks personalities traits

2:31 AM

its kinda like he represents a trait of mine

2:31 AM

so he doesnt have his

2:31 AM

but when he is not in control with me

There is a difference between having an alter ego to project negative behaviors onto in a non-plural sense, and having another part/facet/what have you existing in a plural sense.

i kinda lose his traits

i hope you see what i meant now atlas

Adeus.

he would speak to me many times

i thought i was schizophenic or smth

2:32 AM

i didnt knew what he was

2:32 AM

and i didnt even knew about tulpas

2:32 AM

and knew it wasnt did/osdd

To be fair, this sounds very median to me, so whether or not they want to consider it plural, and fix it like a plural problem would be up to them.

remember that the longer you soeak to him the more he can reinterpret things that were happening in the past, and you know how your questions can be suggestive

What worked for us with Iota's subsystem was to help all his parts work together, and they fused back into one on their own.

again you are suggesting someone that said „he represented my traits, i feel im losing those traits” to consider more separatipn

2:33 AM

im staying out of this but remember what i just said in a few weeks or months when they get destabilised after you telling them more about plurality

2:34 AM

this is not a reaponsible approach

again you are suggesting someone that said „he represented my traits, i feel im losing those traits” to consider more separatipn

@KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ (@KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk) - jump Mhm, no, you're right here.

2:35 AM

I wouldn't recommend further separation, but since Lumi already seems to consider them separate to a degree, it's best not to disregard that, while also not trying to make the separation more pronounced.

2:36 AM

You can communicate with a part to solve an internal issue while not giving them distinct individuality and personhood.

2:37 AM

it should feel less like speaking to another headmate, and more having an conversation with oneself, and the aspects of oneself, granted that you are fundamentally connected to one another.

yeah but you started projecting your past experiences and your solutions when he was saying from the beginning that it feels like a part of him and repeated that a few times. Work like that is much easier when you co sider it part of you Things like that should never be considered through a lens of plurality because we don’t know their history etc

i remember always trying to put this guy to dormancy and he would always find a way back

2:40 AM

bc i didnt know he was conscious and he wasnt...the nicest person to me at the beggining (edited)

2:40 AM

its just now that we get along

what you are talking about would be much better fit for jungian shadow

2:41 AM

nothing more

yeah but you started projecting your past experiences and your solutions when he was saying from the beginning that it feels like a part of him and repeated that a few times. Work like that is much easier when you co sider it part of you Things like that should never be considered through a lens of plurality because we don’t know their history etc

@KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ (@KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk) - jump I wouldn't state "never", but I do understand where you're coming from.

it doesn’t sound like plurality to me at all

even if we have separate headspace forms

2:41 AM

and he appeared in my dreams and would say things out of my control

forms and headspace is just fantasy

I interpret it the opposite way, but that being said, KittiKatty is right; you don't need to further separate him if you're trying to solve a problem.

jung was talking about shadow splitting and being more dominating which is happening to you

Whether you take a plural approach to this or not, whatever internal conflicts that are going on should be fixed first and foremost.

2:43 AM

Then you can have more of a space to define the experience yourself, while not needing to deal with internal conflict and unnecessary stress.

i would like to say he "technically" came from roleplay

2:44 AM

he was a alter ego

2:44 AM

basically

I don't think you should keep trying to make this part go dormant, for one. It avoids mentioning the problem regardless of whether he's a plural headmate or not.

2:45 AM

If you have an alter ego, then it's there for a reason, and ignoring it won't just make it go away, you need to be honest with why you have it and whether or not it's causing problems in your life.

i also would have very weird extreme changes of view when this thing was in control

2:45 AM

today we tried sharing control and it